Re: Sam's text and way forward on the last call of draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Thu, 19 March 2015 15:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: Sam's text and way forward on the last call of draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt
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You asked, Jari.

The more power you vest in someone the more they should be accountable
to the community.  Removing someone from an activity is a pretty
momentous activity.  Making ADs unable to function as ADs or WG chairs
unable to function as chairs is a big deal.  It may impact peoples'
livelihoods.  The same holds for people who are intimidated or harassed
into taking actions they would not otherwise take.  The community needs
to be able to hold people accountable for those decisions (or lack thereof).

Eliot

On 3/19/15 3:40 PM, Jari Arkko wrote:
>> Jari can speak for himself when he gets off of the plane, but I do not believe his intention was to re-open the structure of the entire document. 
> That’s right.
>
> Anyway, I’m reading the responses far too quickly to provide
> good feedback yet on what Eliot said. And I need to close
> the laptop in a few minutes. 
>
> But to explain: we have to solve the issue that had
> been raised, and there are some alternative ways
> to do that. I have a strong preference to staying with
> the current document structure. Part of my goal in
> sending out the initial message was to gauge if we are
> happy with the type of text that Sam proposed, or
> whether people believe bigger surgery is needed.
> I think some of the alternative designs may have
> issues beyond needing more time to edit, but
> for the moment we should put that aside. I was
> trying to determine if there are other proposals than
> Sam’s on the table.
>
> Jari
>