Re: What is a "management position? [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 18/03/2015 06:32, Sam Hartman wrote:
>>>>>> "Fred" == Fred Baker (fred) <[e-mail]> writes:
> 
>     Fred> Someone else suggested “subject to the recall procedures”; I
>     Fred> second that. Consider, if you will, what the process for
>     Fred> removing a document author would actually be? I think it
>     Fred> would, perhaps, be an appeal, not a recall.
> 
> An appeal is clearly also the wrong approach for dealing with
> harassment-related complaints.
> 
> I continue to believe that it's desirable to allow the Ombudsteam to
> remove anyone who is not subject to a recall procedure.

It's hard to fault that logic. But we are kidding ourselves if we
think that confidentiality will always be preserved in that case.

There is running code. Where I live (New Zealand), there is very
strong legal support for "name suppression" by a court. It's quite
common for "a prominent New Zealander" to be charged with, and
convicted of, a serious offence against another person but to retain
name suppression, and it's a crime to reveal that name in any way.
But this is a small country, and if you are interested, it generally
takes about 5 minutes with Google to find the name. If I cited examples,
I'd be breaking the law. The IETF is an even smaller country.

A side effect is that victim's names sometimes leak too. I'm afraid
that is an unavoidable risk, but it means that the solution becomes
part of the problem.

  Brian