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Re: Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Mon, 09 March 2015 20:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice
From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
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Hi Sam,

First, I agree with the assessment in the first part of your message. See also my reply to Mike St. Johns. We've gotten the review, and I'm comfortable with the outcome.

Second, I agree that the issues that you mention in the second part of your message are challenging. But I think the document as it is takes a stand on those issues. We've given the Ombudsteam the responsibility to come up with internal procedures that preserves as much confidentiality as possible but allows them to properly investigate. And we did discuss the leadership-as-respondent issues during IESG Evaluation, and we concluded keeping these procedures and recall separate was best. Pete or Adrian can give details if you're interested.

I think the rest we have to see, and improve if that experience shows that change is needed. 

In any case, we’ve approved the document in the last IESG telechat.

Jari

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