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Re: Mailing lists [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Sat, 14 March 2015 16:13 UTC

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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mailing lists [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]
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>>>>> "Brian" == Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> writes:

    Brian> On 14/03/2015 14:39, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
    Brian> ...
    >> If the community thinks that if you're excluded from meetings,
    >> you're also excluded from mailing lists, that's pretty much fatal
    >> for any IETF management position I've ever served in (WG draft
    >> editor, WG chair, IAB member, and AD). So, that's definitely
    >> worth discussing.

    Brian> I think it is necessary to treat these two things as
    Brian> orthogonal. If someone has been misbehaving in personal
    Brian> dealings with one or more individuals, that is very different
    Brian> from misbehaving in public on a mailing list. So I don't see
    Brian> why sanctions intended to prevent* face-to-face personal
    Brian> dealings would naturally carry over into sanctions that
    Brian> prevent public mailing list misbehaviour. Also, we already
    Brian> have the latter, and running code to show that they are
    Brian> implementable (unlike the recall procedure).

Under your reading of 06, does the Ombudsteam have the ability to
exclude someone from a mailing list?

--Sam

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