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Re: What is a "management position? [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Mon, 16 March 2015 19:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: What is a "management position? [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hmm. AFAIK, a WG secretary is appointed by the chair, not the AD, or at
> least not necessarily the AD. And we could discuss, if we really wanted to
> descend into the pit of despair, scribes...
>
> Actually, RFC 2418 leaves it unclear who appoints a WG Secretary. I think
> it's been common for WG Chairs to get an OK from the AD, at least. But your
> point is taken: what needs clarifying is whether the term "management
> position"
> includes all appointees, as well as positions filled by the NomCom.


Without diving into definitions in BCPs (translation: "I have not read your
document lately but I do have an opinion"), I wouldn't consider a WG
Secretary to be a "management position".  Unless I'm mistaken, that role
involves recording and tracking the progress of things, without actually
having the power to make decisions or approve things.  That authority rests
ultimately with the WG Chairs; those I do consider to be (lowest-level)
management roles.

-MSK

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