Re: What is a "management position? [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 15 March 2015 23:15 UTC

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--On Monday, March 16, 2015 08:07 +1300 Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

>...
> Actually, RFC 2418 leaves it unclear who appoints a WG
> Secretary. I think it's been common for WG Chairs to get an OK
> from the AD, at least. But your point is taken: what needs
> clarifying is whether the term "management position" includes
> all appointees, as well as positions filled by the NomCom.
>...

Given the context in which this came up, it is also important to
note that the set of people who can, in theory, be recalled (who
might plausibly be "management") is not the same as the set of
people appointed by the Nomcom (some of whom might, I suppose,
not be)/

    john