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Re: What is a "management position? [Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 15 March 2015 19:07 UTC

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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:07:31 +1300
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On 15/03/2015 18:17, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or does it also include people appointed by ADs (WG chairs
>> and secretaries, Directorate members)?
>>
>> This needs to be clarified. And they are two very different cases.
> 
> Hmm. AFAIK, a WG secretary is appointed by the chair, not the AD, or at least not necessarily the AD. And we could discuss, if we really wanted to descend into the pit of despair, scribes...

Actually, RFC 2418 leaves it unclear who appoints a WG Secretary. I think
it's been common for WG Chairs to get an OK from the AD, at least. But your
point is taken: what needs clarifying is whether the term "management position"
includes all appointees, as well as positions filled by the NomCom.

   Brian

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