Re: Last Call: <draft-farrresnickel-harassment-05.txt> (IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures) to Best Current Practice

[Sam Hartman <[e-mail]>]

>>>>> "Nico" == Nico Williams <[e-mail]> writes:

    Nico> Have there been harassment cases in the IETF, using the
    Nico> definition given in the I-D?

    Nico> I'm thinking that most cases of harassment (here and
    Nico> elsewhere) are either a) not sufficiently notable (people
    Nico> being jerks without causing too much grief), or b) so notable
    Nico> as to merit civil or criminal law action.  Clearly there's not
    Nico> much for us to do about (b), and doing much about (a) seems
    Nico> unwarranted.  No doubt there is also a class (c) of jerks who
    Nico> won't stop being jerks, but they risk either escalating to
    Nico> legal action territory ((b)), or being ostracized.

Yes.  First, it's important for us to have a policy for dealing with
cases that also involve legal issues.  You can run into real liability
as an organization for not having internal procedures and forcing
everything to be legal.


However, I have experienced harassment and have heard stories where
legal action would be inappropriate but where remedies in section 5 of
the draft would be important.

Would specific examples help you understand the situation enough that
it's worth bringing them up?