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Re: Terminology discussion threads

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Mon, 17 August 2020 06:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: Terminology discussion threads
To: Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com>, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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On 15/8/20 03:56, Jen Linkova wrote:
[...]
> 
> It's very sad to see how, paradoxically, the discussion about
> inclusiveness and diversity ended up being harmful for diversity and
> inclusiveness at IETF.

I'd rather say that this discussion has been, if anything, about 
language ("inclusive language", if you wish).

If anything, language only scratches on the surface of inclusiveness.

For the most part, whenever there have been discussions about 
inclusiveness that would affect the status quo, the consensus seemed to 
be that that wasn't on the agenda (at times describing that as "it's not 
for the IETF to do outreach").

FWIW, I haven't seen *any* discussion to, e.g., get more of the people 
directly oppressed/affected by the terminology in 
https://github.com/ietf/terminology involved in this discussion or the 
IETF in general.

Thanks,
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Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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