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Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 17 August 2020 16:21 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:21:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: Self-moderation
To: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>
Cc: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just one tidbit as far as the weekly posting list, I really didn't
> consider the list as much about shaming as about who was most engaged (for
> good or bad).  There's also the basic fact that some of us are *a lot*
> wordier than others. I try not to get sucked into too many of these
> discussions but invariably when I have done so, I was often near the top of
> the list.  Many times I was 2nd as there is one person that usually writes
> even longer emails than myself.
>

That tool did remind me (just not often enough) to edit my replies so that
I wasn't tagged with all the bytes in an e-mail I was replying to (which,
itself, could have been a reply-to-reply-to-reply-to-reply ... with no
editing).

If it had reminded me to change subject lines when the conversation
drifted, it would have been perfect!

Best,

Spencer


>
> Regards,
> Mary.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 3:50 PM Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15-Aug-20 05:30, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> .....
>> > There is something systemic here. We see that behavior too many times. I
>> > was at the receiving end of similar abuses during the RFC-ED discussions
>> > last year and I feel the pain for Alissa, but there are many more
>> > examples. The IETF list functions as some kind of general assembly, but
>> > without any rules of order. The loudest voices dominate the stream and
>> > skew the consensus, which encourages a loudest-voice behavior and
>> > discourages consensus building.
>> >
>> > The question is, what to do?
>>
>> On a previous occasion when this question was asked, the pragmatic answer
>> was the "Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org" which basically named
>> and (mildly) shamed the most frequent or loudest speakers.
>>
>> I notice that this summary stopped on 2020-06-12, and it was never sent by
>> an official IETF tool anyway.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good to have it back, officially.
>>
>> For the rest, please see the Subject header of this message, so I will
>> shut up now.
>>
>> Regards
>>     Brian
>>
>>

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