Re: reception not useful for WG chairs
Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> Tue, 14 May 2019 05:51 UTC
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All, I feel a bit split about this discussion - the reception fill a purpose, e.g. coordination with authors, reviewers, other chairs and and staff. I actual expect people that hold some position (what so ever) to attend the reception and feel that if people start opting out of the reception that would be bad thing - actually the newcomers reception, gives me most of the opportunity to talk to other chairs - if we add a Tuesday meeting (for ADs and chairs only) that could from some perspective be a good thing, but since it is Tuesday night half the meeting is done /Loa On 2019-05-14 09:14, Toerless Eckert wrote: > There are a lot of logistics items that should typically be more of > interest to WG-chairs/ADs to allow contributors to be more focussed > on technology. > > As Chris said, no such meeting needs (or IMHO should) be closed doors, > just a bit more structure might be helpfull. > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 07:55:18PM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: >> The issue I have with the entire discussion is that it focuses solely on the >> WG chairs wanting to discuss with ADs during the week-end. >> Let's not forget it's equally important for the community to synch up with >> their WG chairs (and ADs as well). >> The only solution (without multiplying meetings) is that the community + WG >> chairs + ADs attend the welcome reception. >> >> Regards, Benoit >>> Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org> wrote: >>> >> We could tether the ADs to tables distributed around the reception room such >>> >> that they were easier to find, and wouldn't clump together. That's what made >>> >> the newcomer's space so useful for WG chairs. >>> >>> > And it wasn't just the ADs, in general unless a chair was off talking >>> > to an inter-area AD, you could also easily find other chairs in >>> > not-your-area. >>> >>> > As far as a "another closed meeting" (mentioned elsewhere), it wouldn't >>> > *have* to be closed. Just having leadership grouped and easily findable >>> > is useful. Make it a cash bar instead of free, or if we need to >>> > incentivize leadership to actually attend (and keep out people just >>> > looking for free drinks), maybe add a couple drink tickets to the badge >>> > pickup for leadership. >>> >>> Should we move it to Tuesday night, in place of the off-site "social"? >>> Could we tether the ADs to couches rather than tables? >>> >>> > Call it a leadership reception or something. >>> >>> Works for me. >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works >>> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- >>> >>> >>> > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64
- Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities for IETF 105 Karen O'Donoghue
- Re: Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities for IETF… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities for IETF… Gorry (erg)
- RE: Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities for IETF… Linda Dunbar
- RE: Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities for IETF… Black, David
- reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Fred Baker
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Aaron Falk
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: [IAB] Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities fo… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [IAB] Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities fo… Mary Barnes
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Benoit Claise
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- Re: [IAB] Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities fo… Michael Richardson
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Carsten Bormann
- Re: [IAB] Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities fo… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [irsg] reception not useful for WG chairs Jeffrey Haas
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- RE: [IAB] Change in Sunday Newcomer Activities fo… Black, David
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Christian Hopps
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Benoit Claise
- RE: reception not useful for WG chairs BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Toerless Eckert
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Stewart Bryant
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Christian Hopps
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Loa Andersson
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Bob Hinden
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Marc Blanchet
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Salz, Rich
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Fred Baker
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Aaron Falk
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Mary Barnes
- RE: reception not useful for WG chairs STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Christian Hopps
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Wes Hardaker
- RE: reception not useful for WG chairs Black, David
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Aaron Falk
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Mary Barnes
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Christian Hopps
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Toerless Eckert
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Wes Hardaker
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Toerless Eckert
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Christian Hopps
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Michael Richardson
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Pete Resnick
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Fred Baker
- Re: reception not useful for WG chairs Wes Hardaker