Re: [ietf-dkim] A more fundamental SSP axiom

Douglas Otis <dotis@mail-abuse.org> Sat, 05 August 2006 01:22 UTC

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From: Douglas Otis <dotis@mail-abuse.org>
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] A more fundamental SSP axiom
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:20:54 -0700
To: Damon <deepvoice@gmail.com>
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On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Damon wrote:

> On 8/4/06, Arvel Hathcock <arvel.hathcock@altn.com> wrote:
>> > Yes but.. I don't think that everyone is going to be aware of  
>> the risk > or ignore it thinking it can't happen to them.
>>
>> Quite the contrary really, I'd think.  And anyway, are we to  
>> remove from our work even useful things on the basis that there  
>> are some who might not understand it?  Surely not.  We should just  
>> do our best to document what we can to help them.
>
> Nothing contrary about it... I wish I had a nickle for everyone  
> that set their SPF records with a ~all. I also think that this  
> would be of diminishing returns. They may set it up this way.. but  
> the first problem (or second) they have, it will get turned off.  
> Then what is their alternative? I don't dislike the idea and if it  
> were released this way... at least I could say I told you so. I am  
> just hoping we can come up with a solution that will have a safety  
> or 'Plan B' attached.

This Plan B will stop more abuse than you can imagine:

Require that all DKIM clients use a "_dkim.<host-name>" that can be  
verified with a simple Address record lookup.  Define a DKIM client  
policy that can assert "ONLY SEND SIGNED DKIM MESSAGES."  A client  
that does not authenticate or does not sign with DKIM can then be  
blocked.

-Doug
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