Re: [ietf-dkim] The problem with sender policy
Jeff Macdonald <jmacdonald@e-dialog.com> Tue, 08 August 2006 00:38 UTC
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:37:29 -0400
From: Jeff Macdonald <jmacdonald@e-dialog.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] The problem with sender policy
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On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 08:56:37PM -0400, John L wrote: > senders are not the right people to judge their own importance. So, I've been thinking pretty much the same thing after seeing all the recent threads going on. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that DKIM and related tech are the wrong approach. There is an interesting quote from J.P. Rangaswami in the Sept. issue of Linux Journal (pg 44): "If you go to many Eastern countries, _identity_ is not about who I am, because the I is very unusual. Identity is about _what I belong to_. Identity is a statement of the community that I belong to. Identity is a statementof things that I will associate with me, that empower me as a result of belonging to something..." There are many discussions about 'which Identity' to use in 'Sender Authentication' schemes. I think it is time to create a new Identity simply because it seems all the current identities have their own flaws. Once that is done, something that allows a Sender and Receiver to establish a relationship and trust with each other can be built. The system I'm thinking about allows a Sender to express the desire for a relationship and only when the Receiver _wants_ this relationship does the trust mechanism come into play. -- :: Jeff Macdonald | Principal Engineer, Messaging Technologies :: e-Dialog | jmacdonald@e-dialog.com :: 131 Hartwell Ave. | Lexington, MA 02421 :: v: 781-372-1922 | f: 781-863-8118 :: www.e-dialog.com _______________________________________________ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html
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