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Re: [ietf-dkim] A more fundamental SSP axiom

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Fri, 04 August 2006 17:09 UTC

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Damon wrote:

> On 8/4/06, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>>
>> > John L wrote:
>> >
>> >>   I REALLY do not want an SSP that says "I sign everything, and
>> >> here is my estimate on a 0 to 10 scale of how much you should care."
>> >
>> > I assume that you'd complain if it boiled down to a single bit?
>> >
>> > 0: "mail from this domain may transit manglers, adjust accordingly"
>>
>> 0: "I sign some mail"
>
>
> A 0 _still_ means: I have a published a record just so you have
> to do more CPU/DNS work... because you are going to have to accept it
> anyway.


I'm sorry: how exactly is a protocol forcing a receiver to do anything?
If you can explain that, then maybe there really is hope for 
strangulation-over-ip.

       Mike

>
>
>>
>> > 1: "the signature should always be intact"
>> >
>>
>> 1: "I sign all mail"
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Steve
>>
>>
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