Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>]

Free was using 6RD initially, not sure if they turned into dual-stack, may be with IPv4 via CGN.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 24/3/21 17:23, "v6ops en nombre de Alexandre Petrescu" <[e-mail] en nombre de [e-mail]> escribió:



    Le 24/03/2021 à 16:59, Gabor LENCSE a écrit :
    > Dear Alex,
    > 
    > On 3/24/2021 4:12 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: [...]
    >> Does IPv6 mandate the use of DNS64 and NAT64?
    > 
    > Of course, not. :)

    So I agree with you about that.

    > There are several IPv4 as a Services solutions exist. We have
    > covered the five most prominent ones 464XLAT, DS-Lite, MAP-E, MAP-T
    > and lw4o6 in our I-D: 
    > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lmhp-v6ops-transition-comparison-06
    > > Your ISP is likely using one of them.

    For clarification - my ISP is called 'Free' (it has freedom features).

    They offer me paid IPv4 and IPv6 native access at home on ADSL.  It's
    one publicly routable IPv4 address and an IPv6 /56 prefix globally
    routable prefix (a 'GUP' if I can say so, not a GUA'(ddress)).

    Up to now, looking through the configuration interface of my freebox at
    home I could not see the options that you mention (464XLAT, DSLITE,
    MAP-E, MAP-T, lw4o6).  One might say that they are there invisible, but
    I doubt that, I need a proof of it.  How can I check for presence of 
    options 464XLAT, DSLITE, MAP-E, MAP-T or lw4o6?

    The problems that appear when I try to browse IPv6 sites that absolutely
    need IPv4 might be because I turned off the IPv4 stack on my computer's
    interface (Windows Properties on the Interface, check off IPv4).  This
    operation (turning off IPv4 in a computer) is possible only on Windows,
    not on linux, AFAIR.  One cant do 'rmmod ipv4' in linux.

    That also explains the fact that installing IPv4-IPv6 translation boxes
    (NAT64, 464LAT, etc.) in a network is not sufficient to access IPv4
    sites from an IPv6-only computer.

    In order to access IPv4 sites from IPv6-only computers one also needs
    the IPv4 stack to work ok on that computer and, moreover, it needs some
    times software features in the Client that support the 64:: notation of
    IPv6 addresses.  For example, thunderbird (a very modern MUA) does not
    understand it and gets confused by it.  It takes it for an fqdn, and
    does not even try to connect the translation boxes.

    This means that if one wants to migrate more to IPv6 then one has to
    think about the NAT64 and 464XLAT concepts more outside of the cellular
    network concept.

    And yes, I agree with you, NAT64 and 464XLAT are good tools to
    migrate.  In particular, if one is on a smartphone or other computer
    using an OS that cant turn off their IPv4 stacks.

    Alex

    > 
    > Best regards,
    > 
    > Gábor
    > 
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