Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Thu, 01 April 2021 17:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment
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Hi Yannis,

When you say inmaturity of lw4o6, do you mean that something in the protocol is broken, lack of support from vendors or something else?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 1/4/21 17:23, "v6ops en nombre de Yannis Nikolopoulos" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de yanodd@otenet.gr> escribió:

    Hello Brian,

    On 3/31/21 11:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    > Yannis,
    > On 31-Mar-21 20:25, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
    >>
    >> On 3/30/21 11:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    >>> On 31-Mar-21 07:33, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
    >>>> On 3/28/21 9:47 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
    >>>>> Dual stack has no time limit
    >>>> (for us ISPs) it has, it painfully has, if your user base is still growing
    >>> Isn't that what CGN was invented for? That's the incumbent technology, with IPv4aaS as a new alternative.
    >> Yes, but CGN usually implies single stack, hence my comment.
    > That isn't clear to me. Maybe I am biased because of the model
    > described by https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6264.

    well, 6264 (combined with the immaturity of lw4o6) was the inspiration 
    we needed to rethink our NAT444 a few years back, so thank you :)

    regards,
    Yannis
    >      Brian
    >

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