Re: Registration details for IETF 108

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 03 June 2020 03:18 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:18:25 -0700
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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:51 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> Hiya,
>
> On 02/06/2020 23:11, Ted Hardie wrote:
> > I think the LLC can call consensus on a matter within their remit (just
> as
> > the IAOC evaluated the feedback on the registration date change policy
> that
> > I referenced many messages ago).
>
> Ah. That's a surprise to me. I don't believe that the
> concept of the LLC calling consensus of a discussion
> of the IETF community was a part of iasa2 at all. Or if
> it was, I missed it. Of course the LLC needs to watch
> and be reactive to community discussion, but calling
> consensus, being a term of art around here, isn't how
> I'd describe that.
>
> I think we expect it of any of our community selected leaders, including
WG chairs, IESG and son.  Given that the IETF LLC board a set of community
selected leaders, I don't think it's strange to expect them to be able to
call consensus.


> > So, I think they are the victims set up
> > to do that in this case.
> >
> > Since you referenced the magic number 14, I conclude we still disagree.
>
> Referring to zero, or 14, as magic numbers, is an excellent rhetorical
> way to disparage my argument


Didn't mean to disparage it, and I apologize if it came across that way.  I
just meant that 14 matched the number of IESG members and not the number of
LLC Board members.

regards,

Ted



> (I'm not at all
> complaining btw, I like it:-) I could as well claim that
> the numbers in Jay's mail were magical, but meh.
>
> >
> > I think we do agree that there should be public discussion.  I think we
> do
> > agree that the LLC and IESG should talk to each other about the
> > implications of different strategies to both the ongoing work of the IETF
> > and its financial future.  I think we do agree that any conclusion would
> be
> > revisited in the light of evidence of how it ends up working.
>
> Yep.
>
> >
> > But our disagreement on on who the stuckee is remains.
>
> Yep again.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
>