Re: Registration details for IETF 108
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 03 June 2020 03:18 UTC
Return-Path: <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950D33A1232 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.097
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JLdY9TIT23CR for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com (mail-ot1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 420D93A1231 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id 69so756182otv.2 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:18:55 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FqT6b3UAAJ/FYcJesYkvGyXYCALvNwzQFYFm21svE8o=; b=gaSbPViAnHraSPIt3E4Z1obkHMKiDsVXIpIomJOcXWvZPrce80wAW33niXfLzL9A/7 IDABl9V3g0nnl7ltB+MbWUcpBjeDreTSlpcn3ON77SAxRboSS+7iFN53NYI70x+c7CCa fMBJGjYvPwraWbcKgUWMtdtkdzEL8DBYJGBzbiawaPKUIYo9TbQLn69Q9VMvO8S9oDje ZDqxg7UAaSwE5yQW/C9m1jbEMu9oEC85VRN1ISoa5Wi2wUhTyA3lsx7azHqypptEUmHY gdoBiMdgW4wwfny3GKOtrtGxf3fsG3Miec4n/OXHMI6oNy7RksZMRdXpYEntU8GJTA6p K9AQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FqT6b3UAAJ/FYcJesYkvGyXYCALvNwzQFYFm21svE8o=; b=pNZ6y4oLRjWVsBCmX9XM0h9ZBT4BUCqQRUGcQKHaeSD2HZagtWuqEFTUPlnlAnK4LI QhvQfgtnBbEOIkKonII9hbf6iDXAGGbldc378wv4HpNtuYo5DocjKR103BS7BGIA42Vr eTEKkdXcwfWcHGPYhdGjaVCCNgxrJR9OD4zXE5URRWLzlhJbLV0OdVh2SbpukaEU5zMn 1HG4IhL3sT+g5t9w81SJ5/a/jjJGHKvN1XiNdQipHaE7M9iVF1K0NUzD8myZU0hq2zr9 lEXCrQLBY+io+SWmzXMTm8qB3z5vG0aAKIKy+HbVVea/gmYsYuJet+ELYk/5R49JPspH /f+Q==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533e+9kjL8B2eKVVvl8ajn0Uvqk4UbI7t0pLg6O6rwm0bSbH6mM+ rpFFiGOHFzCA7+uFnz1r87o9m66NIFrigBjLbgk=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtTmI4ZdEP19D2Z5MB5mQQQCI7QbXguFfrCDxEd0Hzm2KV3XXKW/qqAEQPAjzh0hV81Sqs0uIl2asiFjqLgF0=
X-Received: by 2002:a9d:664e:: with SMTP id q14mr1776296otm.49.1591154334402; Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <159062833754.6110.5826748635235943562@ietfa.amsl.com> <3f9a0e50-c01b-01c6-ad52-95f370baeb8d@joelhalpern.com> <B71999A2-3EC6-4649-864F-674BA494B511@gmail.com> <616FD1DE-C25F-44CE-9FA3-CC00943FC98B@cable.comcast.com> <A9DBD8B0-01B3-4C68-91B3-BD1E99E226BA@gmail.com> <70d1493c-4c00-f32e-8996-72d0a8369571@comcast.net> <D3BA93CD3D2D101946F35024@PSB> <9F71F116-D7B2-4ECE-9000-957A0C497404@ietf.org> <01d701d638ca$c096b5e0$41c421a0$@gmail.com> <CABcZeBOLAw_9s-gobFYB=5THu_Q70UmDLn_ZhVXhNRHN_nu_0w@mail.gmail.com> <607b7682-0a75-62b6-fd0e-5e2e1171a68b@cs.tcd.ie> <CA+9kkMBEqhn115ToB0SwOGavmXze4DdJdL941J4LeVMRrPngpQ@mail.gmail.com> <e1b804ae-4c2e-fdf3-8804-47820d35facf@cs.tcd.ie> <CA+9kkMC8ZWHaCBg=WzwtriVf-3bq=egupVgAH-J7dSqspwLoFw@mail.gmail.com> <a19c3066-bfa7-ded2-d98f-b5e367645451@cs.tcd.ie> <CA+9kkMDrsRoCPFyzU7HJWoFqgg3jQ4rszQvNRMzUAAhVwn=k0w@mail.gmail.com> <583a2e86-260a-4156-2a72-dd21e789cf97@cs.tcd.ie> <CA+9kkMD+7CLeTQ2npmWeeu58A94a5DBAzfm+SVUCgn8fwxh0pQ@mail.gmail.com> <d304ce1e-cabc-20bc-e263-a203e39606e5@cs.tcd.ie>
In-Reply-To: <d304ce1e-cabc-20bc-e263-a203e39606e5@cs.tcd.ie>
From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:18:25 -0700
Message-ID: <CA+9kkMCHKgEJVUxSXfj=7A4-_gypbymkcUep2Mg41_0DFk6FZg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Mehmet Ersue <mersue@gmail.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e28e1c05a7257c89"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/3UgLyOW8n0vxodA2l-qau8Uj2mU>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 03:18:57 -0000
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:51 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 02/06/2020 23:11, Ted Hardie wrote: > > I think the LLC can call consensus on a matter within their remit (just > as > > the IAOC evaluated the feedback on the registration date change policy > that > > I referenced many messages ago). > > Ah. That's a surprise to me. I don't believe that the > concept of the LLC calling consensus of a discussion > of the IETF community was a part of iasa2 at all. Or if > it was, I missed it. Of course the LLC needs to watch > and be reactive to community discussion, but calling > consensus, being a term of art around here, isn't how > I'd describe that. > > I think we expect it of any of our community selected leaders, including WG chairs, IESG and son. Given that the IETF LLC board a set of community selected leaders, I don't think it's strange to expect them to be able to call consensus. > > So, I think they are the victims set up > > to do that in this case. > > > > Since you referenced the magic number 14, I conclude we still disagree. > > Referring to zero, or 14, as magic numbers, is an excellent rhetorical > way to disparage my argument Didn't mean to disparage it, and I apologize if it came across that way. I just meant that 14 matched the number of IESG members and not the number of LLC Board members. regards, Ted > (I'm not at all > complaining btw, I like it:-) I could as well claim that > the numbers in Jay's mail were magical, but meh. > > > > > I think we do agree that there should be public discussion. I think we > do > > agree that the LLC and IESG should talk to each other about the > > implications of different strategies to both the ongoing work of the IETF > > and its financial future. I think we do agree that any conclusion would > be > > revisited in the light of evidence of how it ends up working. > > Yep. > > > > > But our disagreement on on who the stuckee is remains. > > Yep again. > > Cheers, > S. > >
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Eric Rescorla
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Melinda Shore
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Alissa Cooper
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Alissa Cooper
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ietf108planning] Registration details for IE… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 tom petch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Livingood, Jason
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Livingood, Jason
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Bob Hinden
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Lixia Zhang
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Scott Kitterman
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Robert Raszuk
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John C Klensin
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Michael StJohns
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Vittorio Bertola
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Joseph Touch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John Scudder
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Vittorio Bertola
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Joseph Touch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Colin Perkins
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Larry Masinter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John C Klensin
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Joseph Touch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John C Klensin
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Adrian Farrel
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John Levine
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Mehmet Ersue
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Eric Rescorla
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Nick Hilliard
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Eric Rescorla
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 John Levine
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Pete Resnick
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Pete Resnick
- Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for IET… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Stephen Farrell
- Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for IET… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Robert Raszuk
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Alissa Cooper
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ted Hardie
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Ted Hardie
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 S Moonesamy
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Fees after IETF 108 [Registration details for… tom petch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Tim Chown
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Nick Hilliard
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 tom petch
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Randy Bush
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Robert Raszuk
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Randy Bush
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Bajpai, Vaibhav
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Daniel Karrenberg
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Tim Chown
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Randy Bush
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Colin Perkins
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Tim Chown
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Randy Bush
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Jay Daley
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Larry Masinter
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 John C Klensin
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Randy Bush
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Larry Masinter
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Michael Richardson
- Re: Registration details for IETF 108 Michael Richardson
- RE: Registration details for IETF 108 Larry Masinter
- standards? (was: Registration details for IETF 10… Randy Bush
- Re: standards? (was: Registration details for IET… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: standards? (was: Registration details for IET… Michael Richardson
- Re: standards? (was: Registration details for IET… Phillip Hallam-Baker