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Re: Registration details for IETF 108

Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 17:43 UTC

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I don’t like registration fees - that’s “pay per vote” or at least devolves to that.

I prefer a “tax” on the Internet itself - and it shouldn’t be just .org - to pay for these things.

I.e., "if you make money from it, you pay for it". Not “if you want to speak on the standards”, you pay.

Other orgs get some of this by licensing the standards; we understandably don’t want to do that.

Joe

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> wrote:
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>> Il 01/06/2020 19:16 Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> ha scritto:
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>>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Vittorio Bertola < vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:vittorio.bertola=40open-xchange.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
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>>> The Internet is now a multi-billion-$currency industry that basically runs the world, and transparency, conflicts of interests, accessibility, diversity, inclusiveness etc should be top concerns when designing mechanisms for participation and deliberation. But the instruments you mention are indeed horribly blunt, so it would be great if this organization found new ways to deal with this in innovative ways.
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>> Maybe it’s time the Internet started more directly supporting the IETF, on whose backs they profit.
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>> A $1/yr fee on every TLD would more than cover any of our nominal expenses.
> A good part of my annual .org registration fee explicitly goes to support ISOC and the IETF, isn't it? Me and ~10 million other Internet users - there's enough money there to run the IETF multiple times, though I think it's wise that the IETF does not rely only on .org money. 
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> But, from another viewpoint, yours is an argument for increased registration fees, especially for participants from big corporations. If someone profits financially from the IETF's work, it's not the end-user or the average domain name registrant but rather the companies that sell products and services implementing IETF standards. 
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