Re: PowerPoint considered harmful (was Re: Barely literate minutes)

Randy Bush <> Sun, 02 December 2012 06:19 UTC

Return-Path: <>
Received: from localhost (localhost []) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8FC21F8F98 for <>; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:19:45 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.531
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from ([]) by localhost ( []) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYjIU8hPQ2AE for <>; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:19:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ( [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319EF21F8F95 for <>; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:19:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost ([] by with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <>) id 1Tf2tx-0004c0-K0; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:19:42 +0000
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:19:40 +0900
Message-ID: <>
From: Randy Bush <>
To: Randall Gellens <>
Subject: Re: PowerPoint considered harmful (was Re: Barely literate minutes)
In-Reply-To: <>
References: <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <00c001cdce7a$d9fa6490$8def2db0$> <> <> <>
User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI)
MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue")
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Cc: Keith Moore <>,
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <>
List-Unsubscribe: <>, <>
List-Archive: <>
List-Post: <>
List-Help: <>
List-Subscribe: <>, <>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:19:45 -0000

sadly, too many of us remember writing on scrolls of acetate.  i
imagine that some remember stone and chisels.

ok, just for a gedanken experiment of one extreme,

  o remove the projector.  [ omg!  how will we show the note hell? ]

  o if there is an active draft that *really* needs f2f discussion,
    allocate time to discussing it.  if it does not *clearly* need
    face-time, discuss it on the mailing list.

  o no one is at the mic in front because there is no mic in front.

  o if folk really need to see a diagram, that is why the $dieties
    invented laptops.  the few people who do not have laptops have
    those new-fangled tablet thingies.

  o if someone has not read the draft, stay seated and shut up.

  o if someone wants to float a new idea worth describing, then give
    them five or ten minutes on the agenda to ask others for input,
    no preso/ppt.



Power corrupts; Powerpoint corrupts absolutely.  -- Vint Cerf