Re: "IETF work is done on the mailing lists"

[tglassey <[e-mail]>]

On 11/28/2012 12:15 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 27/11/2012 18:00, Barry Leiba wrote:
> ...
>> So here's my question:
>> Does the community want us to push back on those situations?  Does the
>> community believe that the real IETF work is done on the mailing
>> lists, and not in the face-to-face meetings, to the extent that the
>> community would want the IESG to refuse to publish documents whose
>> process went as I've described above, on the basis that IETF process
>> was not properly followed?
> In general, yes please, with room for special cases as John suggested.
>
> At the same time I would like this part of RFC 2418 to be applied:
>
> "  All working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF
>     meetings) shall be reported by making minutes available.  These
>     minutes should include the agenda for the session, an account of the
>     discussion including any decisions made, and a list of attendees."
>
> The list of attendees is now taken care of by the scanned blue sheets,
> but the barely literate "he said, she said" minutes from most WGs
> are pretty much useless. For people attempting to participate only
> via the mailing list this is a problem.
>
> Let's have more minutes like these:
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/85/minutes/minutes-85-opsawg
>
>     Brian
Brian - does this include conversations between principals of a WG 
effort who are conversing about genesis in that WG outside of the IETF 
mailing list - i.e. what happens to conversations inside a development 
team ? How is that genesis and creative power harnessed for inclusion 
into the IETF process?

Todd
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