Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net> Tue, 04 April 2017 20:46 UTC

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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 16:46:17 -0400
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 09:42:57PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
> Hi Nico,
> 
> On 04/04/17 21:24, Nico Williams wrote:
> > My unstated point was that the US border situation is not really
> > different from anywhere else.
> 
> I disagree. I think that as of now, of the places in which
> we're likely to have face-to-face meetings, the uncertainty
> with respect to rule-changes involved in future US meetings
> is much higher than other places. Again, that's only in terms
> of places in which we're likely to meet in the next N years.
> That's a mega-negative for US-based meetings IMO.

	I welcome the data that is being collected vs all the
armchair responses.

	This reminds me of the IPv6-only question, there's the
zero users that were on the IPv6-only ssid in chicago.  This may
be a real issue, or not.

	I think the thread can end until the data is reported
and we can then provide our commentary on that.

	- Jared

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