Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 03 April 2017 21:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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Jordi,

It won't happen when travelling between two "Schengen" countries, I suppose.
But when you enter or leave the Schengen zone, you go through an immigration
checkpoint.

That's a more important distinction than EU/non-EU in this particular case.

    Brian
On 04/04/2017 05:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> I think the “border” line between what is being done in EU and US is that in EU this is only done under a terrorism classification ?
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> I can ask about this to a Spanish State Lawyer that I will be able to talk at the end of the week …
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> I knew about the UK case, but I no longer consider UK part of the EU, never has been “totally”, and clearly it should be considered also when we plan new meetings.
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> Regards,
> Jordi
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> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
> Responder a: <huitema@huitema.net>
> Fecha: lunes, 3 de abril de 2017, 19:32
> Para: <ietf@ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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>     On 4/3/2017 9:39 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>     > I’m not convinced (despite laws may say it), if computer inspection, even “temporal” confiscation, is being used in EU. At least I never heard about that, and even less in my own country, though I may be missing cases in other EU countries.
>     You are indeed missing something.
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>     Here is one pretty famous case, happened in Heathrow: Greenwald's
>     partner detained, thumb drives confiscated.
>     http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/19/snowden-documents-seized-heathrow-intimidation-says-greenwald-his-partner-detained
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>     Here is a clip about Canada's refusal to disclose laptop search policy:
>     http://boingboing.net/2010/02/09/canadian-customs-ref.html
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>     Article 60 of French custom code authorizes inspection of anything you
>     carry, can be interpreted as authorizing search of laptops or cell phones:
>     https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do;jsessionid=AA678D3E2AC873493D4025F33776856A.tpdila20v_2?idSectionTA=LEGISCTA000006138841&cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006071570&dateTexte=20130315
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>     Various European countries, including the UK and France, have passed
>     inquisitive snooping laws. Maybe they are less visible than what happens
>     in the US, but I would not hold my breath...
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>     -- Christian Huitema
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>     > Definitively if that happens to me in EU, I will not provide passwords even if I don’t have anything to hide, but just because customer’s info confidentiality, signed NDAs, etc. I don’t think that will bring me to the jail. However, in US, detention is a fact, right?
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>     > Regards,
>     > Jordi
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