Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 03 April 2017 16:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 04/04/2017 03:26, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:59:49AM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
>> I don't know when I will be refused entry for not handing out
>> passwords or pins.
...
> Moreover, the ad hoc policies that are in place are used very
> inconsistently -- at the personal whims of those enforcing them --
> and are subject to change not only without advance notice,
> but without any notice of any kind.
> 
> Because of this, asking anyone to come to the US at this time is
> equivalent to asking them to incur unknown but possibly very large
> privacy and security risks, as well the financial risk of losing
> any/all computing devices they bring with them.

What is specific to the US in all that? Afaik, customs or immigration
officers have similar rights in many, if not most, countries. And they
use them from time to time, at random or as a result of profiling.

Before you formally enter the country, your rights are limited
in most cases, not only in the US.

    Brian