Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Mon, 03 April 2017 16:39 UTC

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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:39:32 +0200
Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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I’m not convinced (despite laws may say it), if computer inspection, even “temporal” confiscation, is being used in EU. At least I never heard about that, and even less in my own country, though I may be missing cases in other EU countries.

Definitively if that happens to me in EU, I will not provide passwords even if I don’t have anything to hide, but just because customer’s info confidentiality, signed NDAs, etc. I don’t think that will bring me to the jail. However, in US, detention is a fact, right?

Regards,
Jordi
 

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De: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organización: University of Auckland
Responder a: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Fecha: lunes, 3 de abril de 2017, 18:23
Para: <ietf@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities

    On 04/04/2017 03:26, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
    > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:59:49AM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
    >> I don't know when I will be refused entry for not handing out
    >> passwords or pins.
    ...
    > Moreover, the ad hoc policies that are in place are used very
    > inconsistently -- at the personal whims of those enforcing them --
    > and are subject to change not only without advance notice,
    > but without any notice of any kind.
    > 
    > Because of this, asking anyone to come to the US at this time is
    > equivalent to asking them to incur unknown but possibly very large
    > privacy and security risks, as well the financial risk of losing
    > any/all computing devices they bring with them.
    
    What is specific to the US in all that? Afaik, customs or immigration
    officers have similar rights in many, if not most, countries. And they
    use them from time to time, at random or as a result of profiling.
    
    Before you formally enter the country, your rights are limited
    in most cases, not only in the US.
    
        Brian
    
    
    



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