Re: [v6ops] PI [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Mon, 02 June 2014 13:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] PI [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]
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> On Jun 2, 2014, at 2:19 AM, Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
>> There is no such claim. The only difference between IPv4 and IPv6 with regard to multihoming is that IPv6 supports more than one IPv6 address on the same interface, whereas some IPv4 implementations don't.
> 
> I would like multihoming to work, and I'd like it to work without NAT.   If you would like something else, that's okay.  But my impression is that I am not alone in thinking this is a key benefit of IPv6 over IPv4, even if it's still not fully baked (RFC 7157 notwithstanding).

Multihoming works just fine without NAT as is. I run a network at home which is multihomed in both IPv4 and IPv6 without NAT.

Multihoming is not what is actually being discussed here. As Lorenzo pointed out this discussion seems to be limited to the (pathological) case of multihoming which involves a separate selection of source address for each upstream which is, for the most part, unique to IPv6 and does, indeed, pose additional challenges not present in traditional multihoming.

Owen