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[v6ops] Fragments [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 28 May 2014 03:04 UTC

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Subject: [v6ops] Fragments [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]
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On 28/05/2014 10:31, joel jaeggli wrote:
> On 5/27/14, 3:23 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> In message <96747494E3D74D41B20907035DB1E48D335AAB3D@MOPESMBX03.eu.thmulti.com>, Wuyts Carl writes:
>>> And what's next ?  Stop path MTU discovery support ?  Allow Fragmentation again ?  Anything else ?
>>> If we start mimic IPv4 fully, we're really going the wrong way .... (my personal opinion of course)
>> Please state clearly the RFC which disallows fragmentation?
>> Hint: There isn't one.
> 
> you know he's referring to intermediate fragmentation...
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2460#section-5
> 
>> Fragmentation is a BASIC part of IPv6.  It is done in the sending
>> host rather than in the core of the network but it is DONE!!!!!
> 
> yes.

But see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-taylor-v6ops-fragdrop
for a dose of reality.

   Brian

> 
>>> Regs
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nick Hilliard
>>> Sent: dinsdag 27 mei 2014 15:31
>>> To: Ted Lemon; Philip Homburg
>>> Cc: v6ops WG
>>> Subject: Re: [v6ops] ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks
>>>
>>> On 27/05/2014 13:52, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>>> If those ULAs happen to clash, you have to renumber at least one of them.
>>> or use NAT.  I'm not saying this in order to throw fuel on an existing fire, but simply because this is the reality fo
>>> r many organisations in the
>>> ipv4 world, and I see little reason why it will change for ipv6.  The IETF can make recommendations about whether it t
>>> hinks this is a good idea or not, but it is not productive to pretend that the elephant isn't in the room.
>>>
>>> Nick
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