Re: [v6ops] ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks

[Owen DeLong <[e-mail]>]

On Jun 24, 2014, at 21:06 , John Mann <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 28 May 2014 18:16, Owen DeLong <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> On May 27, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Mark Andrews <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > In message <[e-mail]>, Philip Homburg writes:
> >> In your letter dated Tue, 27 May 2014 08:52:02 -0400 you wrote:
> >>> The operational situation that's problematic is the large enterprise
> >>> scenario, where you have two large enterprises with their own ULAs that
> >>> merge.   If those ULAs happen to clash, you have to renumber at least
> >>> one of them.   If they don't clash, you still have to deal with routing
> >>> them (although I think the split-horizon complexity objection Mikael
> >>> raised ought to be thought through carefully before being asserted as
> >>> factual, because I think it can be addressed through routing and not
> >>> naming).
> >>
> >> If you are a large entrprise, just spend the 50 euro or so (RIPE service region) it
> >> costs to get your own prefix.
> >
> > A /56 is over AUD1180 (+10% GST) annually.  Thanks for playing.
> >
> 
> Yes, APNIC now has the distinction of being the absolutely most expensive RIR on the planet.
> 
> However, outside of the APNIC region, prices are much more reasonable.
> 
> US 100 per resource (regardless of size) ARIN
> EU  50 (flat rate, regardless of resources) RIPE
> US 600 (up to a /35) LACNIC
> US 100 (per /48?) AfriNIC
> 
> > AU1180 (/56, logarithmic formula for larger blocks) APNIC
> 
> I think you are describing the APNIC costs poorly.
> 
> It is  AUD 1180 (up to a /34, logarithmic formula for larger blocks) APNIC
> 
> Pricing one /56
>   http://submit.apnic.net/cgi-bin/feecalc.pl?ipv4=&ipv6=%2F56&action=Calculate
> says "= AUD 4", but the minimum annual fee is AUD 1,180  so that is the actual fee.
> 
> Similarly, an IPv6 /48 says "= AUD 30", but the minimum annual fee is AUD 1,180  so that is the actual fee.
> 
> But a realistic situation for a SME with IPv4 and IPv6:
> - an IPv4 /24 and an IPv6 /34
>    http://submit.apnic.net/cgi-bin/feecalc.pl?ipv4=%2F24&ipv6=%2F34&action=Calculate
> Fees for each address type is AUD 1,180 ; take the maximum so the fee is AUD 1,180
> 
> And a small ISP:
> - an IPv4 /22 and/or an IPv6 /32 costs AUD 1,994
> 
> 
> So, it looks like at a little less than twice your next closest competitor, APNIC is the clear winner for the highest prices.
> 
>    John

None of this contradicts my statement that APNIC is at least twice as expensive as anyone else. (OK, not quite double LACNIC, but really close).

Owen