Re: [v6ops] ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Tue, 27 May 2014 04:23 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:23:29 +0900
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks
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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> >
> > OK, we agree that "forever isolated" just means "will be connected in the
> > future". But if we agree on that, then we must accept that "forever
> > isolated" is no different from "temporarily isolated". Therefore:
> >
> > 1. There is only one case - "temporarily isolated".
> > 2. We should not design for "forever isolated", since it does not
> >    exist.
>
> damn!  houston, we have found a clueon!
>

Just wanted to put that down in writing very clearly. If everyone agrees
with it, then great - call me an idiot for stating the obvious. If people
don't agree with it, then better to find that out sooner rather than later.