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Re: [v6ops] Routing /48s [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]

Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> Wed, 28 May 2014 07:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Routing /48s [ULA draft revision #2 Regarding isolated networks]
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On May 27, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28/05/2014 07:18, Ted Lemon wrote:
>> On May 27, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>>> In my experience, it is quite easy and not particularly costly to get a /48 routed. Do you have different experience?
>> 
>> I'm just a poor bastard with a home connection that now (thanks, Comcast!) has native IPv6.   If you tell me that every enterprise on the planet can easily get a /48 routed at no cost, then indeed that's probably the right way to go.   I will defer to others with more experience in these matters to tell me whether or not that is so; my understanding hitherto has been that it is not.
> 
> Let’s assume a paltry 5 billion homenets, each with a routed /48.

That’s a pretty absurd number.

There are roughly 7.1 billion people on the planet. The average household size in the us is 3.4 people. In most countries, it tends to be somewhat larger. By my calculation, 7.1/3 is a little less than 2.4, nowhere near 5.

> Well, today BGP-4 has 17687 entries for IPv6, according to
> http://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as2.0/index.html
> It will be interesting when that number changes to 5000000000.

Yes, BGP4 has a limited future and we need to find a better way to do routing. This is not news. However, in reality, this would only apply to the subset of households that feel they cannot easily renumber and choose to pay RIR and other fees to enable the use of a portable prefix.

> Somehow I doubt this will happen. Quite how far we go in that
> direction is an interesting question.

Yep.

Owen

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