Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Sun, 04 June 2017 01:29 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 10:28:37 +0900
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Subject: Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
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On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> wrote:

> RFC7934 presents the arguments why hosts need multiple addresses, not
> why hosts need 2^64 addresses. For RFC7421 the arguments seem to be
> around operational simplicity. These don't answer my specific
> question: Why does a low end device, like a phone, _need_ the
> equivalent of four billion IPv4 address spaces assigned to it?


Read the document again? The goal is not /64. The goal is that no general
purpose host should ever be constrained in the number of IPv6 addresses
that it gets. That means it should be able to form new addresses without
asking the network, or it should get enough from the network that it never
needs to asks again. Currently the only ways to do that are SLAAC, which
operates on 64-bit prefix lengths, or DHCPv6 PD of a /64 or shorter, which
allows other devices behind the host to run SLAAC.