Re: [Ltru] Does 'de' really mean "only standard German"?

["Gerard Meijssen" <[e-mail]>]

Hoi,
There are clear differences between Ethnologue and the ISO-639-3. There are
languages in Ethnologue that do not exist in the ISO-639--3 and the other
way round. It is not safe to consider Ethnologue to have the authority that
the standard has.
Thanks,
      Gerard

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:26 PM, John Cowan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Randy Presuhn scripsit:
>
> > I'm very surprised by this claim.  I thought 'de' encompassed any
> > variety of German that wasn't covered by some other tag (like gsw),
>
> It does encompass national varieties as well as different orthographic
> reforms of Standard German.  But it does not cover the various other
> West Germanic languages (Mundarten), High or Low, spoken in Germany.
>
> How do we know this?  The ISO 639-2/639-3 equivalent of 'de' is 'deu',
> and when we look at http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=deu
> (which defines 'deu'), we are pointed to encyclopedic information at
> http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=deu , which makes it
> clear that the denotation of 'de' is Standard German, the language
> spoken by almost a million people in Kazakhstan.
>
> > just as 'fr' encompasses many flavors of French.
>
> For whatever reasons, Ethnologue (and therefore ISO 639-3) does not
> distinguish the various langues d'oil except for Picard and Walloon,
> so all the rest are indeed lumped under 'fr'.
>
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