Re: [93attendees] APOLOGY - (was I was wondering...)
Margaret Cullen <margaret@painless-security.com> Sun, 26 July 2015 16:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] APOLOGY - (was I was wondering...)
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Ondrej, Thank you very much for taking responsibility for this choice, and for your apology. I think that at least half of the fault for this issue lies with the IETF -- we did not do a good job of communicating with the participating companies about the nature of the Bits & Bites event. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for all of us, and we will succeed in avoiding this sort of thing in the future. I don't believe that anyone who is concerned about the appropriateness of this activity at the IETF has anything against the women, themselves. We know they were simply doing a job that is considered appropriate in some settings. We find it inappropriate for this sort of thing to happen at the IETF, which is an engineering conference not a trade show. It is important that we create a professional environment at the IETF that is comfortable for all of our attendees. Your company did a wonderful job of hosting our meeting, especially the social event. The food and drink at the social event were tasty and plentiful, and the entertainment was very well-targetted, fun and appropriate. Despite this issue at Bits & Bites, I left Prague with a very favorable view of your company and your beautiful city. I also greatly appreciate your support of the IETF. Margaret On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:35 AM, Ondrej Filip <ondrej.filip@nic.cz> wrote: > Hello! > First of all let me to apologize everybody who felt offended. I am > really sorry for that we did something unfortunate and as a CEO of the > company I take the full responsibility. > > Please, let me explain the background. Those ladies have been working > with CZ.NIC for a longer time although not as full time employees. > But I am telling this to explain that they we have not employed them > just for the purpose of this event. Both have university degrees > although not a technical background in IETF related stuff. But they > know our company very well. > > Again, I fully understand the point and I apologize for our lack of > sensitivity. I am very sorry. > > Ondrej Filip > > > > On 24.7.2015 10:31, Jose Saldana wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc. was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful. >> >> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like. It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it (IMHO). >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jose >> >> Sent from my smartphone >> _______________________________________________ >> 93attendees mailing list >> 93attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees >> > > > -- > ( CZ.NIC z.s.p.o. ) > ------------------------------------------------- > Ondrej Filip - CEO > > Office : Milesovska 5, Praha 3, Czech Republic > Email : ondrej.filip@nic.cz http://www.nic.cz > Private: feela@network.cz > ------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > 93attendees mailing list > 93attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees
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