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John Dowdell <john.dowdell.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 24 July 2015 09:15 UTC

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From: John Dowdell <john.dowdell.ietf@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:15:42 +0200
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
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One of the drafts that I co-author is making it to last call thanks to two young women of incredible technical ability that I brought in to do the job. Ladies, do not doubt your right to be here.

John

> On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:08, Jeff Haas <jhaas@juniper.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc.
>>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>> 
>>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like.
>>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it
>>> (IMHO).
>> 
>> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>> 
>> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
> 
> Save your anger for the situation, but do not question being here.  A "WTH does this have to do with IETF culture" is quite appropriate, in my opinion.
> 
> -- Jeff 
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