IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...

Natasha Rooney <nrooney@gsma.com> Fri, 24 July 2015 09:03 UTC

Return-Path: <nrooney@gsma.com>
X-Original-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22C1A21A4 for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:03:09 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.302
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdSzFpyg4rwU for <93attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:03:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1on0685.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe00::685]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 859761A875C for <93attendees@ietf.org>; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:03:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from HE1PR04MB1033.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.162.26.142) by HE1PR04MB1036.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (10.162.26.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.219.17; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:02:45 +0000
Received: from HE1PR04MB1033.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.162.26.142]) by HE1PR04MB1033.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com ([10.162.26.142]) with mapi id 15.01.0219.018; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:02:45 +0000
From: Natasha Rooney <nrooney@gsma.com>
To: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
Thread-Topic: [93attendees] I was wondering...
Thread-Index: AQHQxes/Z1uczAivkEOxIUnInXsaP53qUKiAgAAChIA=
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:02:45 +0000
Message-ID: <F19DBF30-ED95-49E1-BA4A-E0A870F86DC6@gsma.com>
References: <roeehnxgoypgq14hcab6bxgt.1437726661503@email.android.com> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132A90FBF@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com>
In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E61132A90FBF@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com>
Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098)
authentication-results: att.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-originating-ip: [2001:67c:370:160:a039:4c65:5c1f:af3]
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; HE1PR04MB1036; 5:ETALXMv92jo5aB/23erdhb+ygsJXnLqXexz1v+okh7Sxhpb1fnBEHz06cVOsTMQbqjtAa1r6t2yq9A02U1FeWf+1aikH+dnnPPoholtYcIBODDMr8eRcAprFmbmLbvDDNiCsW/GqbqIuXkYueJ8lfQ==; 24:Jmf9dj7vkhUWIBdJDwdZRI1c031dZ7FMiAifg53yYj1KUjW6RIkBVGl1jKt85XVlC+zB95plrOHhfhPT3kFlTmLepjdUHU1rgROBaphacEY=; 20:ezBuQvCh/BKMfyN8KPgBfe32xaBbVqvhBoFD1o5lCIGzMvFPkhI/5zEZLRPWY7k9u6SbuBCOQb1qO7L00zuDbQ==
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:HE1PR04MB1036;
he1pr04mb1036: X-MS-Exchange-Organization-RulesExecuted
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <HE1PR04MB1036E552D6571EA9B1ACE2EEC3810@HE1PR04MB1036.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:;
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5005006)(3002001); SRVR:HE1PR04MB1036; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:HE1PR04MB1036;
x-forefront-prvs: 0647963F84
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(24454002)(377454003)(5890100001)(40100003)(33656002)(92566002)(5001920100001)(62966003)(82746002)(19580405001)(76176999)(87936001)(50986999)(46102003)(86362001)(83716003)(19580395003)(77156002)(77096005)(122556002)(106116001)(36756003)(5002640100001)(2950100001)(50226001)(5001960100002)(2656002)(1600100001)(102836002)(2900100001)(189998001)(110136002)(15975445007)(57306001)(3826002)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:HE1PR04MB1036; H:HE1PR04MB1033.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en;
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-ID: <6EEFEDC70DBE814D8B2C685B329D698F@eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: gsma.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Jul 2015 09:02:45.8563 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72a4ff82-fec3-469d-aafb-ac8276216699
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR04MB1036
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthMechanism: 04
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-AuthSource: HE1PR04MB1033.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-SCL: 1
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-messagesource: StoreDriver
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-BCC:
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-originalclientipaddress: 2001:67c:370:160:a039:4c65:5c1f:af3
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-avstamp-service: 1.0
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-disclaimer-hash: 78ca8040c6722e32c2f5b0a45bf37e74b9409d645a53be96aa19958e0cee0f00
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-antispam-scancontext: DIR:Originating; SFV:NSPM; SKIP:0;
X-MS-Exchange-CrossPremises-processed-by-journaling: Journal Agent
X-OrganizationHeadersPreserved: HE1PR04MB1036.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/93attendees/qku1ILQe1m498kyHo1n2wPemTNE>
Cc: "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
X-BeenThere: 93attendees@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 93 attendees that have opted in on this list. " <93attendees.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/93attendees>, <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/93attendees/>
List-Post: <mailto:93attendees@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees>, <mailto:93attendees-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:03:10 -0000

+1

On a separate thread someone stated "Creating environments where women are "welcome" is indeed foundational at the end of the day.". At the stand with the women in question one of my colleagues had a photo with one of them, and another commented on that saying "having a photo with the girls?" and laughed. I am the only woman in this particular group (more often than not) and I have never felt more alienated than I did at that moment. Given the industry I work in, I am surprised that this happened at IETF.

Thanks to Jose for speaking up.

Natasha


Natasha Rooney | Web Technologist | GSMA | nrooney@gsma.com | +44 (0) 7730 219 765 | @thisNatasha | Skype: nrooney@gsm.org
Tokyo, Japan


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short skirts, etc.
>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>
>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't like.
>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should avoid it
>> (IMHO).
>
> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>
> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
> Barbara
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> 93attendees mailing list
> 93attendees@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/93attendees

This email and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this email or call +44 207 356 0600 and highlight the error.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email