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jon.hudson@gmail.com Fri, 24 July 2015 10:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
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My personal disappointment of the occurrence itself put aside...

This thread and the previous one, as well as the apology are just _awesome_

Constructive, professional, polite and especially with this thread added wonderfully honest.

Really makes me proud to be part of such a group.

Jon


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Wendy Roome <wendy@wdroome.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jose, thank you for starting this discussion.
> 
> I can't say I was insulted or humiliated, though. If I was, my blood
> pressure would go though the roof every other time I saw a magazine cover,
> billboard ad, or TV show. Let's face reality, sex-driven advertising is
> all around us. Just like ugly architecture. Except in Prague, of course.
> :-)
> 
> But I was very disappointed to see that at IETF. This was my third
> in-person IETF meeting. I was nervous at my first, because I had read
> accounts of rampant sexism at other tech conferences, especially
> game-oriented ones. But I was very pleased when I saw absolutely nothing
> like that at IETF.
> 
> And I am disappointed (although not surprised) that it worked on a lot of
> the guys.
> 
> 
>    - Wendy Roome
> 
> 
> On 07/24/2015, 10:53, "93attendees on behalf of STARK, BARBARA H"
> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of bs7652@att.com> wrote:
> 
>>> In my opinion, the bits&bytes booth with the young ladies in short
>>> skirts, etc.
>>> was a bit... let's say ... disrespectful.
>>> 
>>> I mean, using women just for "decorative" purposes is something I don't
>>> like.
>>> It is common in trade fairs, sports events, etc. But the IETF should
>>> avoid it
>>> (IMHO).
>> 
>> Thank you for bringing this onto the attendees list. I've been discussing
>> this extensively with other women here (and some men), but honestly
>> didn't feel brave enough to open the conversation on the attendees list.
>> 
>> I personally felt incredibly insulted and humiliated by seeing this at
>> IETF. It made me question my desire to participate in IETF.
>> Barbara
>> 
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