Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...

Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Fri, 24 July 2015 12:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:02 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer+ietf@nic.fr
> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:07:44AM -0400,
>  Howard, Lee <lee.howard@twcable.com> wrote
>  a message of 57 lines which said:
>
> > However, I would also not want a policy prohibiting engineers from
> > wearing whatever we want. If you want to sponsor Bits-n-Bites and
> > your lead developer likes wearing heels, I have no problem with
> > that. If I want to wear a close-fitting dress to the next
> > Bits-n-Bites, I hope that would be allowed.
>
> In the specific case of the two "booth babes", they both wore exactly
> the same dress. It has a name: this was an uniform. Like you, I
> strongly value the freedom for men and women to dress as they want
> (and I certainly would hate a policy "IETF attendants have to be
> dressed professionnally"), but, here, they were on duty, and not
> exercising any freedom to dress.
>
>
Although I agree this incident was inappropriate for an IETF,
I wonder how much is the IETF's own fault.  If the bits&bytes
is advertised to vendors as a trade show, and they are charged money
(more than a trade show), then the IETF should not be shocked
if a vendor thinks their normal trade show procedures are
appropriate for this venue.  The IETF should made sure the
contract with the vendor is clear wrt/ the dress code.

I guess you are assuming their attire was mandated by the employer.
What if it was their choice? Certainly complicates the issue.


Andy

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