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Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> Mon, 27 July 2015 12:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
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> On 27 Jul 2015, at 13:59, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:
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> On 7/27/2015 9:08 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> when one finds onself in a hole, it is wisest to stop digging.  this
>> thread is inappropriate.
> 
> 
> Discussion is primarily about institutionally-imposed sexist behaviors.

Note, however, that classification of sexist behaviors is subjective, and US views needn’t be universally accepted/acceptable around the globe. Also, I think the term “misogyny” that was used in this thread is completely inappropriate for this case. From Wikipedia: Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls.

Yes, it might be good to articulate rules or protocol for such events so that nobody can feel offended, but it is equally important to be reasonably tolerant to cultural differences.

Thanks, Lada

> 
> In the face of concerns about harassment in the IETF and a
> not-inconsiderable sense among many women in our community that we guys
> frequently behave quite badly towards and around them, it is not only
> appropriate that we carefully consider what constraints we impose on
> exhibitors (and ourselves. It is imperative.
> 
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