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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 24 July 2015 09:10 UTC

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:10:37 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [93attendees] I was wondering...
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Hi Jonne,

On 24/07/2015 21:02, Soininen, Jonne (Nokia - FI/Espoo) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> On 24/07/15 11:47, "93attendees on behalf of ext Rosen, Brian"
> <93attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> wrote:
> 
>> There is a discussion on this over on Facebook.
>>
>> I¹ll repeat my message on this:
>> I expressed my dismay to the secretariat, who were very unhappy about the
>> situation.  The company employing these women was associated with our
>> host, cz.nic.  This company was told by the secretariat, multiple times,
>> that it would not be a good idea to have the women at the event.  The
>> secretariat did not feel that they could outright forbid them to.
> 
> It seems that this a case where IETF, secretariat or anybody associated to
> the IETF has not done anything wrong. The proper concerns have be taken up
> with the company doing this before the meeting. So, this is really just
> shame on the company itself and should be concerned as very poor judgement
> from their part. 

That's true, but it suggests to me that there should be written terms
and conditions for the participating companies that make it clear that
this sort of thing is unacceptable, and give the Secretariat the power
to throw them out (in real time if necessary).

I do hope that the people who found this personally offensive will
understand that it is definitely not the IETF's intention to permit
such things.

    Brian

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