Re: Sergeant-at-Armss and New proposal/New SOW comment period

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Mon, 02 September 2019 06:57 UTC

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Keith Moore wrote:

>> As such, I was surprised to have received a mail recently from an
>> SAA saying:
>>
>>    We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if
>>    not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation
>>    now.
> 
> I have not read the specific exchange of messages, so am not commenting 
> on it.   But if the SAA is engaging in tone policing, rather than to 
> deter abuse, I find this completely inappropriate.

Thanks. Though the mail said:

 > We are also happy to discuss the specifics if these references are
 > not sufficient.

there is no exchange, not because the references (URLs to some of my
mail to IETF list) are sufficient but because it is obvious waste of
time to discuss someone who says:

 >    We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if
 >    not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation
 >    now.

without showing references on why (rfc3005 does not say such a thing).

Though the SAA might have strange interpretation on rfc7154, the
reality is that the rfc does not change style of communication in
various WG MLs.

							Masataka Ohta