Re: tone policing

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Mon, 09 September 2019 23:56 UTC

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Ted Lemon wrote:

>  At present, we do not have a feedback mechanism at all.

"restrict posting" in rfc3005 is the feedback mechanism we
have at present.

Because of the harsh nature of the mechanism, the system is
harmed by the mechanism, unless feedback gain is very small.

> not exactly “imposing constraints,” but rather, strong and careful curation

How can it be "strong"? By "imposing constraints"?

							Masataka Ohta