Re: tone policing

[Dan Harkins <[e-mail]>]

On 9/3/19 7:04 AM, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 9/3/19 10:00 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>
>> Keith Moore wrote on 03/09/2019 14:51:
>>> And maybe you shouldn't be trying to shout down people
>>
>> This is your 16th email on the topic since yesterday morning GMT.
>>
>> Who's shouting at whom?
>
> I'm just sending replies to people arguing for censorship.   What I 
> wonder is, why aren't more people objecting?

   Well I certainly object but you are quite capably handling it. I do think
the SAA role has been abused in order to squelch discussion. I am 
particularly
appalled by the message Masataka Ohta received from a SAA, namely:

 >    We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if
 >    not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation
 >    now.

Perhaps I missed it but who decided that which was encouraged in the past is
now forbidden? And given that he states there was no additional guidance in
that diktat this has the potential of becoming Kafkaesque if we don't put a
stop to it.

   Culture arises organically, not top-down. If IETF culture changes it 
won't
be from the leadership deciding among themselves what it will be and then to
use the SAA to impose it.

   regards,

   Dan.