Re: tone policing

[Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>]

I was thinking it'd be hard to provide good examples,
but you've done that excellently.

To whatever extent you're not proud of that 2011 mail,
I think this 2019 mail repairs lots. A fine example
that we can all live and learn, and to follow.

Thank you,
S.

On 10/09/2019 00:15, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, at 08:43, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>> Dan, you asked for specific examples of speech whose acceptability has 
>> changed.
>>
>> A clear and simple example is personal attacks. It is no longer 
>> acceptable (or at least, we try to make it impossible) to respond to an 
>> argument by saying "you do not know what you are talking about, so we 
>> should ignore your input." Other even more extreme and personal 
>> comments were once accepted in this community. they are not accepted 
>> any longer.
> 
> Like for example this thing, which I'm not particularly proud of:
> 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/zPoaR1ezRWRs4ji9rbojXLuomFE
> 
> The whole experience around there nearly turned me off the IETF entirely, largely due to things like this:
> 
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/4bg3IkTTJvCAcr8aro5wCyNjZSA
> 
> .... and I know Mark's not around to defend himself here, so I can only point out the flaws in my own communication style there and the missed opportunities to progress work because I was too busy butting heads.
> 
> I'm sad I never got to meet Mark in person. I think a lot of the value of in-person meetings is the sitting together and looking into each other's eyes and realising that the other person isn't a moron and isn't deliberately trying to break the world!
> 
> Bron.
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