Re: tone policing

lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk Wed, 04 September 2019 12:22 UTC

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Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 12:21:41 +0000
From: lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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Adam,
Why would I hope you die? I already know you're going to die. And so do you. That's... usual. It's not ad hominem, it's just pointless.
concern about me being silent? That's... unusual. (or just showing impatience.) While passive-aggressively referring to me in the third person and reading my and others' minds? quite something.
but if obliquely criticising an authoriitarian role is the only thing that merits attention and yet is now beyond the pale, it's time to leave.
L.
goodbye, cruel world^W^W woke sealions!


On Wednesday, September 4, 2019, 2:09 am, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

On 9/2/19 11:49 PM, Dan Harkins wrote:
> Furthermore, your email
> is a kind of "tone policing" that has been discussed here. You're 
> stating that the
> speaker should watch how he says what he says because it could be 
> misinterpreted.


This isn't about tone. It's explicitly about what was meant, not how it 
was said. "I hope you die" is the kind of so-over-the-line ad hominem 
that it gets used as an *example* of an ad hominem. I was hoping Lloyd 
could clarify that's not what he meant. His silence is concerning.

I mean, I get it. It wasn't meant literally, and it was included because 
Lloyd thought it sounded witty. But it's still an attack on the 
volunteers who attempt to keep this list usable. Not what they've done, 
and not the role they're serving, but their actual persons. And that's 
the exact kind of thing we had people lining up at the microphone in 
Montreal to say isn't okay any more.

/a