Re: Sergeant-at-Armss and New proposal/New SOW comment period

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 01 September 2019 15:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: Sergeant-at-Armss and New proposal/New SOW comment period
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On 9/1/19 4:25 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:

> Considering that "sergeant-at-arms appointed by the Chair" [rfc3005]
> and "Complaints regarding their decisions should be referred to the
> IAB" [rfc3005], which means SAAs are loyal to I*, its practically
> impossible, which is why SAAs power must be strictly limited as is
> described by rfc3005.
>
> As such, I was surprised to have received a mail recently from an
> SAA saying:
>
>    We understand that this style of communication was accepted (if
>    not encouraged) in the past, but it is no longer the expectation
>    now.

I have not read the specific exchange of messages, so am not commenting 
on it.   But if the SAA is engaging in tone policing, rather than to 
deter abuse, I find this completely inappropriate.

Keith