Re: tone policing

[Leif Johansson <[e-mail]>]

Skickat från min iPhone

> 10 sep. 2019 kl. 01:27 skrev Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>:
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> 
> I was thinking it'd be hard to provide good examples,
> but you've done that excellently.
> 
> To whatever extent you're not proud of that 2011 mail,
> I think this 2019 mail repairs lots. A fine example
> that we can all live and learn, and to follow.
> 
> Thank you,
> S.

Quite so. Well done & said.

> 
>> On 10/09/2019 00:15, Bron Gondwana wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, at 08:43, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
>>> Dan, you asked for specific examples of speech whose acceptability has 
>>> changed.
>>> 
>>> A clear and simple example is personal attacks. It is no longer 
>>> acceptable (or at least, we try to make it impossible) to respond to an 
>>> argument by saying "you do not know what you are talking about, so we 
>>> should ignore your input." Other even more extreme and personal 
>>> comments were once accepted in this community. they are not accepted 
>>> any longer.
>> 
>> Like for example this thing, which I'm not particularly proud of:
>> 
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/zPoaR1ezRWRs4ji9rbojXLuomFE
>> 
>> The whole experience around there nearly turned me off the IETF entirely, largely due to things like this:
>> 
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/imap5/4bg3IkTTJvCAcr8aro5wCyNjZSA
>> 
>> .... and I know Mark's not around to defend himself here, so I can only point out the flaws in my own communication style there and the missed opportunities to progress work because I was too busy butting heads.
>> 
>> I'm sad I never got to meet Mark in person. I think a lot of the value of in-person meetings is the sitting together and looking into each other's eyes and realising that the other person isn't a moron and isn't deliberately trying to break the world!
>> 
>> Bron.
>> 
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>> Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd
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