Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 04 August 2020 22:20 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108
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I don't think more meetings would help. Better motivations to do more mutual document review would. Now how can we achieve that... On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:02:26AM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote: > On 04/08/2020 04:32, Keith Moore wrote: > > > > On 8/3/20 10:17 PM, Bron Gondwana wrote: > > > > > There's an assumption in here that the presenting of the slides > > > doesn't have any benefit, which I don't believe is true. > > > > > > As the presenter talks through the slides they are aligning the > > > thoughts of everybody in the room (including themselves) and > > > hence when we get to the conversation, everybody has the cache > > > state loaded into their brain and the conversation can be > > > productive. I don't think that "read the slides in advance and > > > come with questions" will give the same alignment. > > > > > > I'm not saying "there's not better way", but it's worth > > > considering the positives of the existing patterns and seeing > > > how we can preserve them. > > > > > I think it makes more sense to say "given that meeting time is > > precious even when people don't have to physically travel to the > > meetings, what's the most effective way to use that time to further > > the goals of the group?" > Granted. Time is always precious but not so precious as during a > physical meeting week. > > Most of the time, the speed of an organization depends on the number of > meetings per year. With 4 meetings/year instead of 3, we know that IETF > would move faster. To (try to) be on par with opensource projects speed, > we have to adopt monthly or bi-weekly virtual calls. Whether you call > that design team (with only active participants) or working group > meeting (with everybody), it's a detail. > > Those recurring virtual calls is also what we have in most companies in > our industry. With 2 possible outcomes. Either the project takes off > rapidly, or there is a lack of interest/energy/time and the project > dies. Both are valid outcomes for IETF drafts and WGs. > > Regards, Benoit > > -- > 108attendees mailing list > 108attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/108attendees -- --- tte@cs.fau.de
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