Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Tue, 04 August 2020 22:20 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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I don't think more meetings would help. Better motivations to
do more mutual document review would. Now how can we achieve that...

On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:02:26AM +0200, Benoit Claise wrote:
> On 04/08/2020 04:32, Keith Moore wrote:
> > 
> > On 8/3/20 10:17 PM, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> > 
> > > There's an assumption in here that the presenting of the slides
> > > doesn't have any benefit, which I don't believe is true.
> > > 
> > > As the presenter talks through the slides they are aligning the
> > > thoughts of everybody in the room (including themselves) and
> > > hence when we get to the conversation, everybody has the cache
> > > state loaded into their brain and the conversation can be
> > > productive.  I don't think that "read the slides in advance and
> > > come with questions" will give the same alignment.
> > > 
> > > I'm not saying "there's not better way", but it's worth
> > > considering the positives of the existing patterns and seeing
> > > how we can preserve them.
> > > 
> > I think it makes more sense to say "given that meeting time is
> > precious even when people don't have to physically travel to the
> > meetings, what's the most effective way to use that time to further
> > the goals of the group?"
> Granted. Time is always precious but not so precious as during a
> physical meeting week.
> 
> Most of the time, the speed of an organization depends on the number of
> meetings per year. With 4 meetings/year instead of 3, we know that IETF
> would move faster. To (try to) be on par with opensource projects speed,
> we have to adopt monthly or bi-weekly virtual calls. Whether you call
> that design team (with only active participants) or working group
> meeting (with everybody), it's a detail.
> 
> Those recurring virtual calls is also what we have in most companies in
> our industry. With 2 possible outcomes. Either the project takes off
> rapidly, or there is a lack of interest/energy/time and the project
> dies. Both are valid outcomes for IETF drafts and WGs.
> 
> Regards, Benoit
> 

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