Re: [108attendees] Successful IETF 108

Keith Moore <> Tue, 04 August 2020 16:30 UTC

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On 8/4/20 12:16 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:

> However, having "I speak when I choose" as the default mode would move 
> the interaction in a direction that although i perfectly capable of 
> competing in I consider undesirable when I do it and harmful to many 
> other people's ability to interact.

I don't think that's an accurate representation, though I will admit 
that my experience is based on face-to-face meetings rather than remote 
ones.   In a face-to-face meeting, speakers can get a sense of whether 
they're monopolizing the time, either by themselves, or from subtle 
reactions from others in the room. And when necessary the chair can 
intervene.   (Of course, some people will think a speaker is talking too 
much merely because they disagree with the speaker.)

In a remote meeting we might need to provide for other ways of providing 
cues similar to those that exist in a f2f meeting. (Maybe a "harrumph" 

I also don't think "I speak when I choose" would be the "default 
mode".    We understand that there are conventions governing interaction 
within a meeting.   There is still a current speaker who has the floor 
during much of a meeting, even though we might often find the occasional 
extemporaneous comment or question useful.   And there is still a chair 
to keep things from getting out of hand.

It's really just the strict queue discipline that needs to be abandoned 
under most circumstances.   My impression was that meetecho provided a 
good compromise - there's still a mic queue for when it is needed, even 
though there's also the capability to speak without queueing.    
Presumably the chair can disable the latter when absolutely necessary, 
but mostly we rely on participants to have some sense of fairness and 
mostly that seems to work.