Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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On 14/12/2012 17:40, Jon Mitchell wrote: > I don't think there seems to be much concensus around any of the > discussions to change the range in the draft but there are a number of > people supporting in it's current state w/o these reservations, there > are literally billions of options we could choose from, especially when > we consider David is now suggesting two ranges (the only other person on > the list who has commented). http://www.foobar.org/~nick/router-bgp-x.pdf This is a graph of the number of google results returned for the quote-enclosed query "router bgp x", for values of x ranging from 64512 to 65535. Couple of things of note, apart from the fact that it isn't data, and that it is more likely to reflect documentation rather than what people have configured on routers: 1. "router bgp 65535" is quite common although it is officially a reserved asn. 2. there are large spikes at the beginning of the range, around 65500, and right near the end of the private ASN range. 3. there are smaller spikes at every asn which is evenly divisible by 100, and also at 65412 (i.e. 64512 with second two digits transposed - there are a lot of dyslexics in the industry), 65432, 64555, 65111. While it's not data, it does lend some credence to a hunch I had that people naturally prefer round numbers and numbers at the beginning / the end of a pre-specified range, and that they largely ignore the numbers in the middle, except for the occasional cutesy number here or there. Speculating wildly, I suspect the underlying reason for this is that people find the numbers they've chosen to be easier to remember when working with them. After all, we're human. Full config at: http://www.foobar.org/~nick/router-bgp-x.dat http://www.foobar.org/~nick/router-bgp-x.gnuplot Nick
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard A Steenbergen
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Stewart Bryant