Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> Fri, 19 July 2019 01:16 UTC

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From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 21:16:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 20:06 Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
wrote:

> On 7/18/19 7:19 PM, john heasley wrote:
>
> > Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 09:04:17PM -0400, Keith Moore:
> >> I could see some utility in having some documents being able to be
> >> updated in place.  But I would have serious concerns with document
> >> content like RFC7525 (i.e. technical recommendations for implementation
> >> and/or operation of protocols) approved without IETF consensus.  It is
> >> essentially part of a protocol specification.  So a WG should not be
> >> able to "publish" such a document, nor approve it based entirely on its
> >> own consensus. That would not only bypass IETF consensus (and cross-area
> >> review), it would effectively bypass appeals and other safeguards we
> >> have in place.
> > Since no one is excluded from participating in any WG, anyone can
> comment or
> > object to any such document.
>
> WG-only review has been demonstrated over and over again, for literally
> decades, to be woefully insufficient.   There's far too little wide
> review with the current process, and you're proposing to make it worse.



I think you just now offended basically every working group participant.

Regards,

Job

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