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Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 05 July 2019 19:16 UTC

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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Things that used to be clear (was Re: Evolving Documents (nee "Living Documents") side meeting at IETF105.)
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Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
    > A lot of times what stops me is that the document is badly written and
    > difficult to read, and so it’s so much work to read it that I put it
    > off until it’s too late, or give up.  It may be that it’s possible for
    > us to get better at writing understandable and readable documents, and
    > that this would have a greater positive impact on the process than
    > shoulding at directorates.

Me too.
So I wind up trying to do grammar edits while reading the document, and I
really want it to turn into Google-Doc-like github pull requests.

I want to see the review process/software the EKR described last year.
I mean to bug him over beer to see it.
It seems rather involved, but maybe would work for me too. I don't know yet.


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